Saturday, June 7, 2025

Considering Kings and Country Singers


(Author's note: Sometimes in studying family history the best thing one can do is simply pay attention. P.S. - This is pretty much straight-up genealogy for someone else. You should go get a coffee. We all know I tend to be long-winded.)


As always, royally unedited.


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Some things are just painfully obvious. 

After looking at it a bit though, my first question was: Does Paige know this? I mean, she must already know it, right

Was this a test to see what side I was on? Lol.

Okay, let me back up a bit...

Remember when I said that there are several things any well-done family history needs? You know, aside from stories about those incredibly ordinary lives that touch our ancestry? Well, to recap, any 'well-done' family history is lucky to include among its branches the following: a Mayflower line, a Revolutionary War patriot, a connection to a Salem witch, a celebrity, or movie star worth their weight, (Yeah, Kardashians don't count) a Jamestowne ancestor, and ultimately of course...

a Gateway Ancestor. 

For those unfamiliar with the term, a "Gateway Ancestor" is (typically) a seventeenth-century immigrant with proven royal ancestry. However, "Gateway ancestors," while eliciting a proven pedigree to, say, for example, King Edward I, can also be a bit tough to find in the thicket of any family tree. 

They are even trickier to connect with your own family lines.

However, in this particular case - Paige's case - I don't know why I didn't pay a little bit closer attention – I mean, hadn't "this one" already been done before? 

Nah, instead, I spent the afternoon chasing other avenues, like the good solid leads of fine Gateway family names, like Isham, Lindsay, and Batte, but still, they were families (and names) that just never seemed to quite fit. (Let alone prove out.) What was I thinking? If I had only paid the smallest bit of attention, I could have "skipped" to the head of the line. 

It took me a bit before I saw the name "Skipwith." 

"Skipwith" - a prominent Gateway name - and a connection to the Carters.

Paige's Carters.

All I can say is, 'Duh, Jeff.'


With several hundred years of royalty in between the image above and the one below, we'll just start right here with: Ye Olde Gateway:

Generation One: [Lady]Diana Skipwith and Major Edward Dale:

Above images: Douglas Richardson's Plantagent Ancestry, Genealogical Publishing Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2004                     

                        MAJOR EDWARD DALE
                   

               

  And again, with several centuries in between...



Above: David Faris, Plantagent Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, Genealogical Publishing Co, 1996

Okay, I guess I shouldn't get too far ahead of myself. We'd better get the pedigree chart out of the way first, and then we can move on to the published sources for verifications. Remember, I am looking for original sources or secondary ones that are contemporary, and, at least at first review, are undisputed. I am no expert here, but I will do my best to refer to the most current research/information available. Anyway, here goes:               


Note: An error occurred in preparing the above genealogy. On generation no. 8 above, Henry Clay Carter first married Elizabeth Lawson, mother of James Monroe Carter, and secondly, Lydia Dorton. This correction does not affect the line.

Generation Two: Their daughter, Katherine Dale, who married Captain Thomas Carter                    



Above: William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Volume 17, p. 277, University of Virginia, 1909.  

Generation Three: Their son, Capt. Thomas Carter, Jr., who married Arabella Williamson

Above: Joseph Lyon Miller, Effie Shelton Campbell, The descendants of Capt. Thomas Carter of "Barford" Lancaster County, Virginia, 1652-1912, University of Wisconsin, 1912; cropped from pages 98-105.                      


Generation Four: Their son, Peter Carter, who married Judith Norris:



Above: Joseph Lyon Miller, Effie Shelton Campbell, The descendants of Capt. Thomas Carter of "Barford" Lancaster County, Virginia, 1652-1912, University of Wisconsin, 1912, pages 225-227


Generation Five: Their son, Norris Carter, who married Agnes Allen:    


Above: ibid., page 244.

                  
Above: June Carter Cash, a descendant of Norris Carter and also [Lady] Diana Skipwith

Generation Six: Their son, John Thomas Carter, who married Sarah Margaret Frazier:


Above: ibid., pages 245-246.

Generation Seven: Their son, James Preston Carter, who married Elizabeth Neal

       


Generation Eight: Their son, (Henry) "Clay" Carter, who married first, Elizabeth Lawson, and second Lydia Dorton       

(Note: See correction notice to Generation Eight above.)

The above record is only an index, but it's a good one in that it agrees with the information in the published genealogy. The FHL Film number tells us that it's a record that can be obtained with a little bit of elbow grease. While this particular part of the line needs more documentation, there isn't anything about it that poses a Red Flag. (See the information also on FindAGrave.com memorial no. 243822289.) The FindAGrave.com memorial references the family Bible of James Preston Carter for the dates. I haven't been able to locate an online copy of the original Bible record (only a transcription), but the surrounding census (and other) records appear to confirm the line just fine.

Generation Nine: Their son, James Monroe Carter "of Chattanooga," who married Martha Adaline Simmerman               


Above: Chattanooga Daily Times, Chattanooga, TN, Sat Nove 14, 1896, page 5                     

Generation Ten: Their daughter, Margaret "Maggie" Carter, who married George Jerome Haley:                                

   

Above: Chattanooga Daily Times, Chattanooga, TN, Thursday, Jan 12, 1956, page 13 and d/c for same

As with my previous post on the Jamestowne ancestry of Paige Dunham, this is a good stopping point. I'm stopping here somewhere in between Paige's great-great-grandmother, Maggie Carter Haley, and her great-grandfather, Raymond Carter Haley. The balance of the ancestry beyond this point can be considered contemporary to Paige and isn't required to prove her possible connections and Gateway Ancestor with royal lines back to Diana Skipwith.

I believe it's pretty much a given that "the line holds" from Katherine (Dale) Carter on down.

Aside from "cleaning up" the citations and adding additional sources, Paige Dunham's link to European royalty appears set by her connections to the Dale/ Skipwiths.

At the very least, it is anecdotally so, and certainly one by marriage.

To this point, I would be remiss if I did not mention that, circa 2000, an article was published in The American Genealogist, attempting to refute that Diana Skipwith was the mother of Katherine Dale Carter. (See lineage above.) That author made some fairly compelling arguments, but the author's points were later argued against by Douglas Richardson, a (if not "the") pre-eminent genealogist on royal ancestry. I am both an advocate and acolyte of Douglas Richardson. If he says the Skipwith/Dale/Carter line is sound - well,  anyone with better knowledge should try and come forward.   

All of this does beg the question that if Katherine (Dale) Carter's mother was not the royally born Diana (Skipwith) Dale - Why would she (Katherine) use the name "Skipwith" as a middle name for her son Henry Carter??? 

Yeah, that's what I thought too - she wouldn't.


        

Above: Gary Boyd Roberts, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants...Genealogical Publishing Co., 2008

     


I need to soundly mention that there are two camps on the question of whether or not Diana (Skipwith) Dale was Katherine (Dale) Carter's mother. 

I am choosing to be in Richardson's camp, that indeed she was.

Below are cropped partial images of Richardson's message of support for the royal line.

               

    


I realize that these images of Richardson's correspondence aren't needed here. However, I think it's important that anyone who comes across this post for Paige's ancestry, or "Googles" the royal ancestry of this branch of the Skipwith/Dale/Carter clan and sees someone challenging it, also sees that this issue has been addressed by the experts.

I am pleased to say that Paige Dunham can now "reasonably well" check "Gateway Ancestor" off her genealogical to-do list. (And certainly Mrs. Cash, lol) I have to wonder if someone already knew about her connection to country singer June Carter Cash? (Family lore and legend being what it is). Of note is that I did not find any Mayflower connection for Paige, nor did I find any connection to President Jimmy Carter. (Who appears at first glance to come from a completely different branch of Carters.)

But again, how did I miss all this? Was it in the family history Paige had already given me, and I failed to notice? Ugh.
  


What can I say? With the legitimate lines of Diana Skipwith Dale back to the Emperor Charlemagne, I guess Ms. Paige will just have to be content counting Kings and Country Singers and foolish old men working on her genealogy along the way.

Wink!







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